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 Post subject: FYI: SONAR and mydrumset
PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:08 pm 
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Not sure if this has been addressed before (from the reading some of the topics, I'm thinking not) but I initially had a couple of problems getting My Drumset to work in SONAR (I'm using version 6 SE).

1) SONAR would not recognize the plugin after a manual VST scan.

Solution: scan VSTs on startup instead of manually. There is an option to so in the Options>Global>VST Plugins menu.

2) Only a few sounds work (kick and snare for example)

Solution: In the dialogue box that pops up when inserting a synth through Insert>Soft Synths, make sure that "All Synth Outputs: Stereo" is checked. If you have disabled the popup box, you can get to it from the synth options in Synth Rack (press alt+8 then press o).

Hope this helps someone :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:56 pm 
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Very nice indeed! Thanks. This might help people!

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 Post subject: hey harmony
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:37 am 
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This doesn't necessarily help people, since partial triggering of the drums is probably caused by an issue with the drum map. I, for one, am having issues, and it's caused by the notes being triggered at c5 versus c3.

I'm not too sure how to trouble-shoot this since the plugin is not highly configurable outside of the host's abilities.


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 Post subject: Re: hey harmony
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:24 am 
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mrbubs3 wrote:
This doesn't necessarily help people, since partial triggering of the drums is probably caused by an issue with the drum map. I, for one, am having issues, and it's caused by the notes being triggered at c5 versus c3.

I'm not too sure how to trouble-shoot this since the plugin is not highly configurable outside of the host's abilities.



DrumMap is not that big deal. You can create your own one, but if you are as lazy to do so as I am, use this easy trick for Sonar.

If you have one MIDI drum track (all notes for specific drums in one track, one clip), you need to separate the notes to different tracks.
You can do so by running CAL script called something like "separate notes to tracks" (I don't know exactly as I write this from computer without Sonar - from work ;)).
But be sure you have the drum track selected AND you also need to select the the clip(s) you want to separate. (Don't select just the clips as it doesn't have to mean you selected also the track! Both need to be selected.)

Go to PROCESS -> RUN CAL and select to run the mentioned script. You just type in needed information and this script will create as many new tracks as many different-pitched notes are in the MIDI drum sequence.

Than just route these new tracks to My Drumset plugin and rename them accordingly to their drum sounds (you probably need to experiment or have a look at notes structure to determine it). After this you can easily manipulate transposition of the whole track for each drum and match the sound in My Drumset or any other drummachine plugin. This way you can even easily change HiHat sound to Ride sound if you want...

I tested a few free drummachine plugins this weekend and compared them to EZdrummer, used this procedure to map notes to sounds and it worked like charm!
And by the way this is the best free replacement for EZdrummer I have found. Unfortunately I don't see that fancy new interface that is mentioned in the forum and on site - probably I need to have a look at some updated, newest version download link here. Anybody can help?

Good luck!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:16 pm 
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Hi. No hats and rides hearing. Is that OK for that size - nearly 300 mb?
Thanks.


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What do you mean?

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I use Sonar 6. There are two modules accessible - regular drumset and some 70's. I bind one of them with audio track and the module window appears. Just sliders of volume are accessible, there are no other buttons or regulators in the window of the VSTi.
Then I bind this VSTi with midi track and open piano roll window.
Pressing keyboard that is on the left of the screen I can hear sounds that the VSTi generates. It starts with kick-drum and lasts till toms - all about 8 different sounds and that's all. No hi-hats or rides and crashs sounds.
I don't believe that such a drumset can be though a little considered as full, so I suspect some error in this case though, once again, that chain always worked fine for any another VSTi or DXi.
Wait for your authoritative help and thank you for your highly interesting work.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:15 am 
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saboteur wrote:
I use Sonar 6. There are two modules accessible - regular drumset and some 70's. I bind one of them with audio track and the module window appears. Just sliders of volume are accessible, there are no other buttons or regulators in the window of the VSTi.
Then I bind this VSTi with midi track and open piano roll window.
Pressing keyboard that is on the left of the screen I can hear sounds that the VSTi generates. It starts with kick-drum and lasts till toms - all about 8 different sounds and that's all. No hi-hats or rides and crashs sounds.
I don't believe that such a drumset can be though a little considered as full, so I suspect some error in this case though, once again, that chain always worked fine for any another VSTi or DXi.
Wait for your authoritative help and thank you for your highly interesting work.


Hi Saboteur. How many output tracks did you open with this VSTi? You need to select to create all outputs (probably in mono) to play all the sounds. It looks like you have opened first 4 tracks or so as cymbals and ambient mic tracks are in other 4 tracks if I remember correctly.
Anyway the procedure on how to create all those outputs is in the first post of this thread (written by Harmony). Can't remember how this was done in version 6 of Sonar, but I'd say it was fairly similar.


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 Post subject: Re: FYI: SONAR and mydrumset
PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:01 am 
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Harmony wrote:
2) Only a few sounds work (kick and snare for example)

Solution: In the dialogue box that pops up when inserting a synth through Insert>Soft Synths, make sure that "All Synth Outputs: Stereo" is checked. If you have disabled the popup box, you can get to it from the synth options in Synth Rack (press alt+8 then press o).


Yes, I work in Sonar 6 and I have only 6 samples sounding from Drumset - from C5 to F5.
Yes, I opened Synth Rack (alt+8) and found there is no option "All Synth Outputs: Stereo", there only is "First Synth Audio Output" and "All Synth Audio Outputs". Nowhere in the options of Synth Rack I didn't find the word - stereo.
Whatever I did, however I change that options, I had always heard that damn 6 samples only. Though Drumset face' faders showed light levels the time I pressed over F5 and heard nothing.

Please, help me anybody! All of my life I've been working in Sonar and never had problems with any synth! Help me to make it work!
Or is this plug-in only made to work in Cubase, I cannot understand???


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lemmon wrote:
How many output tracks did you open with this VSTi?

As always, firstly I create one audio track and insert "my drumset" in it.
Secondary I create one midi track and make its output to "my drumset".
Then I choose a bank and a preset - bank 0, preset - Ludwig.
Then I open piano roll on midi track and press keyboard to hear sounds - only 6 sounds, from C5 to F5. And that's all...

P.S. Thanks for somebody responded to a person in trouble.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:18 pm 
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saboteur wrote:
As always, firstly I create one audio track and insert "my drumset" in it.
Secondary I create one midi track and make its output to "my drumset".


Alright man. I know about the way you use to add VSTi in Sonar but I never do it that way. So I tried it. I am using Sonar 8 and I even wasn't able to play any sound using the procedure you use. So in this way Sonar 6 is better. ;)

But hopely I have a solution for you. Have you heard about Synth Rack in Sonar? It provides you with more settings when inserting virtual instruments. I googled this for you so check it out:
http://sonartricks.com/instruments/how-to-use-synth-rack-in-sonar-6/

It is basically the same as in Sonar 8 so I recommend you to chose these settings when inserting MyDrumset:
In "Insert Soft Synth Options" window tick "All Synth Audio Outputs" and "Synth Track Folder". This will create folder with I think 8 tracks - 8 different outputs of MyDrumset.
You can also enable "Synth Property Page" and "MIDI Source". First one will open VSTi screen and second one will create dedicated MIDI track in VSTi folder.

So that should be it. Hope that will help. Try and enjoy this great plugin!


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lemmon wrote:
Have you heard about Synth Rack in Sonar?

Yes. As I had already written here before I tried to tune it in all ways.
lemmon wrote:
In "Insert Soft Synth Options" window tick "All Synth Audio Outputs" and "Synth Track Folder". This will create folder with I think 8 tracks - 8 different outputs of MyDrumset.
You can also enable "Synth Property Page" and "MIDI Source".

Yes. That's Sonar 6's default settings of "Synth Rack".
Moreover, I tried all other possible and impossible variants of settings but it didn't help anyway.
Thank you much for your help and time you wasted trying to help me.
I suppose the only way to make this thing working in my case is to change version of Sonar itself. Still I have 7th version of Sonar, but it'so different from 6th that I'm afraid yet to leave for it studying all chains from scratch over again.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:07 pm 
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Hi guys.
I'm afraid I can't be of more help here. It's been ages since I used Sonar. That's why I looking for betatesters and helpers in that DAW.

Hope you fix it. There should of course be hihats, cymbals etc.

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Thanks for care, Bluemusic.
It's so pity that I cannot make it working in Sonar, because I have been always looking for some quality drum' product like yours.
Well, it means no destiny...
And unfortunately I am not so tempted to programming to give help in any way.


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 Post subject: I was able to get it working in Sonar 8 Producer Trial
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:29 pm 
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I have been able to get the VST working with 24 sounds (which I assume is all of them - from kick to crash).

When adding the soft synth I used the following settings:

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At first I had the problem where I could only hear the Kick/Snare - but when I reloaded the synth using the "Synth Track Folder" and "Display Automation on: MIDI Source Track" it worked.

I believe the issue is that having the automation on the first audio track caused the automation to be limited to the Kick/Snare track - not what is wanted.

If I'm way off base there ... well ... I just started using a DAW for the first time yesterday. I don't think I've spent all my "say dumb things on Internet forum" chips yet.

Regards - hope this helps someone.


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